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I just got this e-mail:

"Dear Ramsey

I am currently completing a book called FANZINES (Thames & Hudson) and have included the cover of List Goodbye, Baltimore, no. 12 (fall 2008), fully credited in the book.

My book looks at the history of fanzines in a general overview of UK and USA-based self-publishing. As a good example of an interesting contemporary personal zine it would be remiss not to include it in any history of fanzines. The book is due out in September and I hope this will establish the importance of this form of self-publishing.

I do hope this is okay.

Yours sincerely,

Prof Teal Triggs
University of the Arts London
"


Poor form right? I know a lot of zinesters don't care about their things being reproduced or used, and I actually don't mind at all for it to be included, but it seems like asking ahead of time would be the right thing to do, right? Especially for a book?


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OK, this is a VERY BIG favor to ask... but for people who received complimentary copies of the book, could you possibly post a list of all the zines pictured in it? I realize that it will be quite a bit of work, but some zine publishers who were never contacted should know that they were used in this book.

Maybe if a few people have the book, they can divide it into sections to ease the workload?
I guess Teal isn't answering questions as to which zine writers had been contacted or not. Maybe we could compile our own this way?


Aj Michel said:
OK, this is a VERY BIG favor to ask... but for people who received complimentary copies of the book, could you possibly post a list of all the zines pictured in it? I realize that it will be quite a bit of work, but some zine publishers who were never contacted should know that they were used in this book.

Maybe if a few people have the book, they can divide it into sections to ease the workload?
Can someone with a copy tell me if Teal ended up using a cover of my zine 10 Things in it? If so, I'm buggin' her for a free copy. Thanks!

ps- I've read a shit ton of music and zine books, there are always mistakes about dates, times, locations, etc. It's especially hard to fact check band and zine info for things that weren't covered in the press, don't have much of a recorded history, and whose creator's contact info is old and they are hard to track down. Unless there are really bad factual errors that change history, I'm pretty stoked just that someone has made a first attempt at recording something that no one has before. I should point out I've worked in libraries all my life and work on ZineWiki, I'm a huge fan of trying to document things for history. I'd love it if people cut this book a little slack, most of you are probably too young to have read most of the zines covered in the zine books of the '80s and '90s, but there were lots of errors in those books as well, but when you read them they still give you an overall impression of what the zines were about and how awesome the micro publishing scene and publishing a zine is. I'd try looking at the sum of the parts, rather than just how your zine was or was not part of it. It seems like the author's heart was in the right place and that zines could use some greater attention right now outside of the usual circles, with a major book may be able to bring (although I doubt it).
This book was linked to in a post on BoingBoing.net a couple of hours ago (http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/29/zines---a-slideshow.html) - I commented that some zinesters were mad about how their work had been used without being contacted/asked first and linked to this thread.
There's a listing in the book. It's not in alphabetical order, so it's not all that useful, unfortunately. I'll try to copy/scan it, but may not be able to for a few days.




Aj Michel said:
OK, this is a VERY BIG favor to ask... but for people who received complimentary copies of the book, could you possibly post a list of all the zines pictured in it? I realize that it will be quite a bit of work, but some zine publishers who were never contacted should know that they were used in this book.

Maybe if a few people have the book, they can divide it into sections to ease the workload?
Not even alphabetized!? Sure, maybe it's an "art" book, but that doesn't mean it has to be unusable. Lack of indexing =/= indie cred, you know?


Jenna Freedman said:
There's a listing in the book. It's not in alphabetical order, so it's not all that useful, unfortunately. I'll try to copy/scan it, but may not be able to for a few days.
Amen, sister!

I don't have the book in front of me, so consider this and my previous statement not fact checked. The not alphabetized bib--it's in the style of end notes, or cast lists: in order of appearance.



Aj Michel said:
Not even alphabetized!? Sure, maybe it's an "art" book, but that doesn't mean it has to be unusable. Lack of indexing =/= indie cred, you know?


REALLY? and Christopher Columbus discovered the New World! Yes!

BTW: this book is selling for $40 in the USA. (not $28)



Dan 10things said:
I'm pretty stoked just that someone has made a first attempt at recording something that no one has before.
This is not the "first attempt" at recording zine history. It's not even the first attempt at recording zine history THIS YEAR; Alison Piepmeier's very carefully researched "Girl Zines" managed to record zine history without dismissing the very people she was profiling. But then, Piepmeier actually discussed zines in her book, she didn't just slap a bunch of covers on a page.

Also, if you have to bring up your age to win an argument, you've already lost.



Dan 10things said:
Unless there are really bad factual errors that change history, I'm pretty stoked just that someone has made a first attempt at recording something that no one has before. I should point out I've worked in libraries all my life and work on ZineWiki, I'm a huge fan of trying to document things for history. I'd love it if people cut this book a little slack, most of you are probably too young to have read most of the zines covered in the zine books of the '80s and '90s, but there were lots of errors in those books as well, but when you read them they still give you an overall impression of what the zines were about and how awesome the micro publishing scene and publishing a zine is. I'd try looking at the sum of the parts, rather than just how your zine was or was not part of it. It seems like the author's heart was in the right place and that zines could use some greater attention right now outside of the usual circles, with a major book may be able to bring (although I doubt it).


Erica S. said:
This is not the "first attempt" at recording zine history.

I didn't say it was the first attempt to record zine history, as I said in the same post, most of the zine books of the 80s and 90s also had a lot of factual errors. Hence I know there are a ton of zine books... I did a library exhibit on zinebooks and probably own more than anyone here. I tracked down a bunch of the old '80s ones like Gunderloy published. From the description though, it sounds like this was trying to do something different than past books, hence my comment about doing something new. It better have been different, otherwise there isn't really a point in putting it out. The American Hardcore book was rife with errors, but is still an awesome book for what it attempted to do. I'm hoping this is similar. Honestly, if you read a lot of books on music history like I do, you realize that every attempt by someone to document things that aren't well recorded is always rife with mistakes and factual errors.
Hi all,
I contacted all the Australian zinemakers who had zines I recognised in the book as soon as I got a copy of the book a couple of weeks ago (I asked Teal for a copy as soon as I found out my zine was in the book). Here is a list of the Australian zines I contacted:

Mix Tape
In Sickness
YOU
D90
Dates I've Been On And Not Been on
Pretty Ugly
More Love Truth And Honesty
Notes And Errata
You Stink and I Don't
Local Anaesthetic
Just Like Candy
Girls With Guns
By The Time You're 25

There is also The Alien Invader and Downunder featured in the book which I did not know how to contact.

Luke/Sticky.





Aj Michel said:
OK, this is a VERY BIG favor to ask... but for people who received complimentary copies of the book, could you possibly post a list of all the zines pictured in it? I realize that it will be quite a bit of work, but some zine publishers who were never contacted should know that they were used in this book.

Maybe if a few people have the book, they can divide it into sections to ease the workload?
Dan 10things, what about the description of this book made you think that this might be something different than past zine books? Im asking you in earnest. We've seen books before that have collected the covers of fanzines - and we have seen better texts on the history, issues, and niches within the world of zines. We've also seen books that have combined the visual aspects of zines with accompaning text. Triggs' book isn't really a book focused on the graphic design of zines either. Basically her book demostrates that she has a sizeable zine collection - many of which are from the United Kingdom and including enough rare titles and issues to warrant publishing them in a book and that she has enough of an understanding of zine history and culture to give the reader a broad enough overview. Then you have the whole issue of not clearing her images before hand. ++++ Is this another account of zine forms and culture? ...No doubt. But to what extent is it mundane, if not just bad? I think its more than you've let on.


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