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I agree with Nicole here. These "call out" sections can serve a good informative purpose. For example in "Miscellaneous" section of "Word of Mouth" in the latest Zine World there's a note that Violet Jones' PO Box has been closed and there was no forwarding address. This is useful information b/c I had been wondering if there were ever going to be more issues of "Free Press Death Ship" or "Spunk". Now I know not to send a note that will just go nowhere.
And if I recall, these types of "call out" sections in both the late F5 and other places were helpful for people trying to get money from the old, long gone See Hear zine store in the East Village NYC.
However, it has to be USEFUL information in these "call out" sections (and they also need a better name b/c I really hate the expression "called out on their shit") to make them truly worthwhile. Items like deadbeat distros, zine libraries that never really became libraries but still solicited zines, unsettling requests (such as from questionable convicted criminals), etc.
Again, I think it is situations like this that really highlight differences between older and younger zine publishers. But then again, I think this is just representative of the shift in culture to "Now! Now! Now! Instant! Now! Now!"
NicoleIntrovert said:THOSE types of things i would like to see called out. Not someone not getting ONE zine in a week. But legit problems with people who could be scamming or people that are just too irresponsible to handle orders.
just so you know, hannah, no, i didn't delete the post i made about today's unfortunate discussion. you were removed from the community. the post is still there & has garnered quite a bit of positive feedback. isn't it interesting to realize that you aren't the center of the universe?
i am 100% in agreement with kisha. in the age of paypal, yes, people sometimes expect immediate gratification with order turn-around, & i do think expecting a zine to show up in your mailbox in a week is pushing the limits of what is reasonable. but paypal informs people when they have a new payment, & you can just hit "reply" & say, "hi, i got your order, it will be in the mail by such & such a date." courtesy is a two-way street, & if we are going to expect orderers to be patient & understanding that getting to the post office isn't our first priority, we need to show them the courtesy of acknowledging their orders & letting them know about anticipated delays. the second or third time someone fails to send something within the time frame they promised, i think it's totally fair to request a refund.
i also think a community call-out board or explanation of who has been sketchy would be a great idea, because so many people have no clue what we're talking about when we say "slo-mo panda," & then don't understand why people might be anxious about new untested zine libraries soliciting free donations. bill price has become a big enough issue in the zine scene that he garnered his own page in "stolen sharpie revolution". i think sketchy distros & zinesters that don't follow through on their proposed plans aren't on par with the bill price mess, obvs, but when there is an especially egregious incident, it might be nice for people to know about it. i certainly would have made different choices about the way i approached podcastgate 2009 had i had certain information ahead of time. *shrug*
You're all a bunch of fucking babies; stop embracing the atrocities of this -- our fast food nation, and take the initiative to create some actual art, instead of pop culture memorabilia. Real art takes time, something worth giving to this society, to our community. So lets stop worrying about how fast we can distribute a piece of shit, and get back to the idea of being real artists. Lets try something here, and create something that's worth a damn, and can actually define us as a generation that's actually got something worth saying.
Hi Hannah, I'm Dan. You said in your podcast you've never met a zinester that's made more than a few dollars off publishing a zine, now you have. In the hey day of the '90s zine scene, it wasn't uncommon for zinesters to actually make a little money, we printed and sold a lot more issues, had national indie distribution, got national press attention, had big zine shows, and were supported by advertising through the indie music scene's success at the time. I printed 3,000 or 4,000 copies an issue sometimes and would get two dozen orders a week on top of advertising and distribution sales, I easily made $500 on a couple issues.
Sadly I think you've taken a personal issue, someone complaining about your turn around time on orders (who was cool and didn't even name your zine, even if they seemed a little too impatient) and made it into some larger drama about "this is the way the zine community is and should be." I think it's important to remember that your circumstances and attitude are your own, we don't all share them. The zine community is a lot bigger and more diverse than the small segment of it you may have been exposed to. And that's a good thing, we want a big diverse zine scene that has people from all points of view and a variety of zines, from little perzines that only print a couple dozen issues to bigger zines that print a couple thousand and bring zines to a much larger/wider audience. I don't understand the idea of jumping on anyone that thinks outside the current dominant norm in zining. Do we want everyone to think the same and do things the same? Where's the fucking rebellion in that?
uuuh what? i was talking about people who dont sell ad space and never claim to speak for anyone but myself. thanks.
Yes, I was one of those people who requested a refund after 3 weeks. Why? Because after realizing that she had the means to contact me does not explain why I didn't receive a message saying "hey, got your payment! I'm slow mailing my shit out but I'll get it to you!" It's called common courtesy, it has nothing to do with this being a business or not. Using the excuse that zines used to take 6 months to arrive back in the day, or that it's DIY "just go with the flow!" is bullshit.
I don't care if it takes you a YEAR to mail out some shit, it is common fucking courtesy, end of story. Yes, the OP getting antsy after one week is a bit much, but almost a month is a little ridiculous.
Hell, I was fine when Hannah finally responded to my email saying that she mails out slowly. Fine! I'll wait another month to read a cool zine. But then I was sent another email saying she'd get it out before the end of the week. Yup, that didn't happen either.
Common courtesy, people.