a place for zinesters - writers and readers
Um, I am not whining about anything, I am having an honest discussion about something that is interesting to me and from the looks of it a lot of differant people on here. If it's not interesting to you why are you here? No one is twisting your arm to get on this particular forum and call people out for using abbreviations like idk. No, thank you, I participate in zine culture and have every right to critique things that bother me about it, so I will not go write a blog.
NicoleIntrovert said:Then don't write zines. Go write a blog. Or a book. No one is twisting your arm to create a zine.
Then you won't be a zinester and you can stop whining about something so absolutely absurd.
To say that writing about riding a bike is automatically writing about environmentalism makes about as much sense as saying that when I write about driving my car I am writing about trying to destroy the environment.
I have never assumed that most zines are about making out on rooftops My argument is that those zines aren't recognized because of...well you put it well when you were putting words in my mouth...the "fad" element. And that most people that I talk to dismiss zines for that very reason.
I will admit that polyamoury was a poor choice of cliches, though, I should have said crushes.
Laura said:"A writer who would be writing whether or not there are zines. The term zinester is one that started being prominent when the D.I.Y/radical dirty kids appropriated the zine in the mid-nineties when most independant writers went online. That was the same time that zines started to tank in quality because instead of being used as an available medium for anyone, it was fetishized for it's archaic quality by a certain scene who then started pushing zines about the same shit like making out and riding bikes and polyamoury."
Personally I find this really really offensive. not just on a personal level, but offensive to the whole history of zines. Zines were created to so that people who didn't have the means to otherwise be published could be heard. Right from the uber nerdy sci-fi writers to the dada-ists to soldiers in the Vietnam War.
Yeah they were used by 'writers', but it was mainly cos no one else would publish them or they wanted to create their own space to publish their work. And also so that they could right about what ever the hell they fancied, be it cycling, socialism, polamory or civil rights.
I think that you are completely wrong to assume that most zines are about making out on rooftops, there are hundreds of zines about political and social issues, and I also think there are great zines about people's personal experiences with issues such as environmentalism (cycling) and sexuality (polamory) and it's very short sighted of you to assume that these are just worthless pieces of paper produced in a fad.
"Then don't write zines. Go write a blog. Or a book. No one is twisting your arm to create a zine.
Then you won't be a zinester and you can stop whining about something so absolutely absurd."
While this post is pretty stupid and serves no purpose beyond trying to dismiss what was, up until this point, a rather thoughtful and intelligent discussion I do have to admit that I love the idea of using the phrase "Go write a blog" as a dismissive insult.
Zinester = one who writes/reads/participates in zine culture.
What is wrong with that?
And using "idk" isn't juvenile?
Saling Pusa Distro said:idk... personally i feel weird whenever i say/type "zinester". i sounds so... idk, juvinile maybe? to me it feels like it lacks seriusness... but hey that's just what i think... but what else can we call it?
From one zinester to another, take my advice- you should really bake some vegan muffins to work off some of this anger.
When you calm down, give me a call- me and the guys are going to be holding our Men's Knitting Circle over at the regular place on SE Belmont tomorrow night. We're discussing ethical alternatives to innate male aggression, and finding new ways to incorporate Oriental, I mean ASIAN, influences into our lives. The theme of the meeting is : "Can't We all Just Knit Sarongs?"
In the second part of the Men's Knitting Circle, we'll be talking about the latest issue of Body and Soul Magazine over tea and cookies.
And, as a finale, we'll be calling up our ex-girlfriends to apologize for our being moody and controlling.
Won't you join your fellow zinesters?